![]() Even Erin's not gay-but not in romantic love or whatever. With his Catholic upbringing, I honestly think Tolkien would've been horrified to know people classify Sam & Frodo's relationship as anything other than platonic. ![]() Maybe I'm wrong there, but I always assumed it was a Father/Son relationship. I may be mistaken, but it seems like "Gaffer" was a term the poorer hobbits used for their fathers. And yes, they are not peers, because socially they are in different classes, and they are different ages as well. He keeps calling him Master Frodo, remember? F." ![]() Sam is devoted to Frodo as a servant is devoted to his master. LOTR is not the first example… perhaps one of the best but not the first :) Thanks for getting me thinking this morning!Īlicia wrote: "What we in the 21st century cannot grasp is the concept of devotion to your employer. There are examples of immense emotionally connections throughout all forms of literature. And as said before, there is the relationship between Christ and his followers. I'm a massive fan of Tudor-history and have noticed similar relationships between kings and their subjects. There are people that you would do anything for and do anything possible in order to protect them. The thought actually never crossed my mind! On reflection of their relationship and especially after reading the previous posts, I think of the loyalty that I personally feel for my siblings, my parents and my husband and find the loyalty to be comparable to that of Sam and Frodo. I read and loved the trilogy and the relationship between Sam & Frodo was one that I found to be amazing and awe-inspiring but not gay. Hi everyone! I'm relatively new to this group and just stumbled across this discussion and thought I'd add my thoughts, although I believe they are the same or close to what most of you have said so far. We can all bear one another's burdens like the two in the story, like Christ did, and like how we can do for each other believing in Him. Think of the how much the Ring weighs on Frodo, yet he has an unwavering determination to see it through to the end. Now, Frodo, despite Tolkein's allegations that he disapproved of allegory and that what he wrote was actually "the truth" (I think he is trying to get our attention here, despite the semantics), bears a lot of similarities to the aspect of Jesus that bore the weight of all our sins, going down into the world below to conquer and set us free. I think the recognition of the Father in Jesus is how we get our intimacy with Him. In the Spanish-American community it is not uncommon at all for a father and son to be affectionate when the son is young. Think of the relationship between Christ and 'the disciple He loved.' During the last supper, the disciple was leaning on his breast - many of earth's cultures have deeply affectionate familial relationships. It is obviously love, it is obviously friendship but it is also so much more.īut then, this is one of the things that drew me in to LOTR in the first place. I know many just want it to be a "friendship" and not "gay" but then I think it is a dishonor to their relationship to simplify it to that kind of arguement. If anyone has read the Epilogue Tolkien wrote for LOTR (but wasn't published with it) it is very obvious that Sam is still torn in two despite Frodo's "sacrifice" and while very pleased with his life and wife, still longs greatly for the sea and to see Frodo again. Something that not even Rosie will get from Sam. Well, I know Tolkien's intentions was for it to be a platonic sort of friendship but stories and characters have a way of crafting themselves and taking on a life of their own even if the story is planned out ahead of time (which Tolkien really did let his instincts guide him through when it came to most of LOTR).īut before anyone gets flustered let me say this: there can be such a thing as a deep, deep love between people (and not always sexual although intimate) that could be cast as romantic or not but it is something I think Frodo/Sam share - that they are essentially soulmates and that while not sexual at all in the books (that's what fanfiction is for ^_^) and even though there are intimate moments, it is something deep and true. ![]()
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